Going geothermal – Questionnaire

Here is the list of questions I asked all of our geothermal contractors. Click here for the post on how we picked our geothermal contractor.

  1. How many geothermal systems have you installed?
  2. What types of systems do you install most (horizontal, vertical, closed, open)?
  3. What are the most common problems you encounter?
  4. Do you subcontract any of the work?
  5. How do you calculate heating/cooling load?
  6. What should we consider in planning for an addition to the house?
  7. Will you do locates for all of the utilities?
  8. What heat pump do you use?
  9. How much area do you need to dig?
  10. How far from the house can the system go?
  11. Are you able to install the loop on unlevel ground? (The answer to this one is yes)
  12. What are the electrical requirements for the system? Can you upgrade the electrical if it’s required?
  13. What changes to the duct work will be required?
  14. What hot water system do you use? How does the hot water system work?
  15. How long does installation take?
  16. When are you able to book the installation?
  17. How many people will be on site for the install?
  18. How does service and maintenance work?
  19. What warranties are on the system?
  20. Will you remove the existing furnace, air conditioner, hot water heater, oil tank?
  21. Do we need to have the ducts cleaned? Do you take care of this?
  22. Where will the thermostat be? How does the thermostat work?
  23. Does the weather affect the system?
  24. Does the type of soil affect the performance of the system? (The answer to this one is no, but the wetter the soil the more efficient the system)
  25. Do you take care of CGC certification? Is there a cost for this? (Certification from the Canadian GeoExchange Coalition is a requirement of the ecoEnergy program)
  26. What forms of payment do you accept?
  27. References?

I found these questions were a good way to learn about our system and understand geothermal technology. I tried to integrate the questions into our conversation during the site visits, rather than quizzing the contractors one question after another. Seeing how the contractors responded to all of my questions gave me an idea of their overall approach to customer service as well.

I guess you can call me a demanding client, but I believe when I’m making an investment, especially when it’s as big as a geothermal system, I want to know exactly what to expect and what I’m getting.

For previous posts in the Going Geothermal series, click on one of the links below:

Going geothermal – Picking a contractor

I’ve already talked about making the decision to install a geothermal system at our farm. Now I’ll talk about how we selected our contractor.

We started getting our quotes before we took possession of the farm. We knew the furnace upgrades were somewhat urgent, and the ecoEnergy rebate program expired at the end of the month that we took possession. Our goal was to have the contractor selected and the work scheduled so that we could have our new geothermal system installed the first week we owned the farm.

We didn’t really know anyone who had geothermal, so we couldn’t get a referral. There were a couple of houses along our concession that had geothermal, and the contractors had posted signs at the edge of the road, so I got one number that way. Through the Canadian GeoExchange Coalition, I was also able to get a list of CGC qualified companies in our area. We made our short list, and I started calling people.

I called five companies to start. I asked each of them the same basic questions about how geothermal works and what would work best for our situation. Based on the initial phone interviews, I then chose three contractors to come out to the farm and quote on the job. The decision of who made the short list depended on how they answered my questions and the overall feel I got from our conversation.

The site visits involved looking at locations for the loop field, inspecting the duct system within the house and checking out the utility room to figure out how to lay out the new system.

I was also up front with all of the contractors about two things that could dramatically affect our system. First, I knew I wanted to eliminate the two furnace set up and include the pool room on the same system as the rest of the house.

However, having one system was contingent on using the pool room as just a room and not having an indoor pool. A pool causes issues with temperature and humidity that can challenge a geo system.

The second issue was that we know that we hope to add on to the house eventually, so we wanted a system that was sized to handle the larger square footage.

During the site visits, I had detailed questionnaires that I asked each contractor. I’ve posted the questionnaire here in case anyone wants to check it out or copy it for themselves.

This post from 3 acres & 3000 square feet was helpful in giving me an idea of what to look for in a contractor and what questions to ask.

Based on just the questionnaires, the three contractors were pretty evenly matched. Two out of three used the same brand of highly rated heat pumps. They all did heat loss calculations to determine what size of system we needed (although it was a bit of a guess as to how big our house would be eventually). They were all very experienced and had worked on lots of residential and commercial projects. They could all do the work within the time frame that we needed. And I liked all of them.

In the end it came down to the quotes. I was surprised with the amount of variation in both the systems that were recommended and the prices that were quoted.

  • Contractor #1 quoted us a 5 tonne heat pump with a 6 tonne loop.
  • Contractor #2 quoted us a 4 tonne heat pump with a 4 tonne loop for $3,650 more than #1.
  • Contractor #3 quoted us a 6 tonne heat pump with a 6 tonne loop for $4,200 more than #1.

From what I can tell, most of the variation in the systems came from how each contractor accounted for future expansion. In the end, we felt like the 5 tonne heat pump with the 6 tonne loop would best meet our needs today and down the road. And I can’t deny that the lower price was a key part of the decision too. Reference calls yielded very positive reviews and confirmed the good vibes we had felt in meeting with the reps from the company.

So, we said, “You’re hired!” to Waterloo Energy Products and sent off our deposit cheque. Installation was quickly scheduled to begin the Monday after we took possession. And that’s next in the series. Stay tuned.

Click here for part one of the “going geothermal” series: The decision to go geothermal.

Going geothermal – The decision

A rural area presents certain limitations when it comes to city services. Most likely, you don’t have natural gas available at the road. That means, when it comes to heating and air conditioning, you have a choice of oil or propane. However, large rural properties open up a third option: geothermal.

When we first saw the farm, we recognized quickly that the furnace was pretty old and would have to be replaced. During the home inspection, our suspicions were confirmed.

Furnace

One of our old furnaces. Notice all of the soot.

There were two oil furnaces in the house: one for the house itself and the other for the indoor pool area. The pool furnace didn’t seem to be working. The house furnace, in addition to being ancient (probably original to the house), had been modified and jury-rigged over time so that it actually wasn’t in that great of shape.

Air conditioner

The old air conditioner

The air conditioner also appeared to be original to the house (remember we’re talking 30-40 years old here), the hot water heater was also running on oil and the oil tank itself was 20 years old.

When we were talking options with our home inspector, we were focused on a new high efficiency oil or propane furnace. My brother who had tagged along during the inspection said, “Or you could do geothermal.”

We scoffed because the only thing we knew about geothermal was that it was expensive.

However, after talking things through, doing a little bit of research and starting to run the numbers, we decided very quickly to go geothermal.

Why we chose to go geo:

  1. Since we had to upgrade the furnace, air conditioner and oil tank, we’d have to put out a significant amount of money just for up front capital costs.
  2. Given that oil was our most likely option for our location, we’d have to continue to put out a significant amount of money for ongoing operating costs.
  3. We plan to be in this house for a long time (notice the “forever house” tagline above), so the geothermal would eventually pay for itself, and we’d actually be able to save money over the long term.
  4. Through the Government of Canada ecoEnergy program, we could get a rebate for installing a geothermal system.
  5. We had the space to do a horizontal loop, the least expensive layout for geothermal.
  6. It’s a green option that’s a lot more environmentally friendly than burning fossil fuels.

Click here if you’re interested in more on how geothermal works.

Once we made the decision to go geo, we had to find a contractor, which I’ll talk about in the next installment of “Going geothermal.”

Psycho shower

In previous posts I mentioned that our basement bathroom is deserving of its own feature. Well, here it is. The promised post on our basement bathroom.

Let’s take a look, shall we?

Basement bathroom before

Hey, that looks pretty good. Shower, toilet, vanity, sink, mirror, light. All of the parts seem to there.

Let’s look a bit closer, shall we?

Shower in our basement bathroom

Psycho shower! No, this is not a crime scene. We have some issues with iron in our water.

Psycho shower on a platform

Psycho shower on a grody platform (and yes, some demo has taken place between the first two photos and this photo)

Decent sink, but ugly faucets and some spray issues

Decent sink, but ugly faucet and some spray issues

Off-centre light

Off-centre light (and random vent… don’t know what it’s covering yet)

Exhause fan

Exhaust fan issues (we haven’t touched this yet. This is actually how it was when we bought it.)

Cushy toilet seat

Cushy toilet seat with colourful hunting scene on the lid

Lovely, isn’t it?

We knew from the first time we saw it that we would be tearing out the basement bathroom entirely. Here’s the vision for what it will be.

Not at all psycho shower

Decidedly not psycho shower. Source: Aubrey + Lindsay’s Blog

While most of the key features of the bathroom are in place, the one thing that we’re missing is storage, so the reno will have to include space for extra soap, toilet paper, towels and all of the other stuff that is part of a bathroom. Something like this will be perfect.

Built-in storage

Source: Houzz

Here’s the floor plan before.

And after.

Basement bathroom floor plan after

Much larger shower (hopefully not on a platform), with a ledge at the one end for shampoo and soap. The other side of the ledge will be floor to ceiling storage. Source: floorplanner.com

Like in the rest of the basement, we’re not making major changes to the layout, but everything will be coming out and the walls will be opened up and the insulation will be upgraded. We’re probably going to reuse the vanity, albeit with a new faucet. There will be a new toilet, new floor, new lighting and lots of nice, clean, new tile.

After growing up in a house with only one bathroom, Matt now requires his own bathroom. So I will be the main user of the upstairs bath, and this one will be all his. Somehow it doesn’t seem entirely fair that he gets the nice new bathroom all to himself. Don’t you think?

For more inspiration images, including ideas for fixtures, see my basement bathroom board on Pinterest.

Demo done

Our Friday night looked something like this.

Matt declares victory over a pile of drywall and insulation.

Matt declares victory over a pile of drywall and insulation.

The upside of schlepping 28 garbage bags of insulation up from the basement and out to the drive shed at 11:30 on a Friday night is that you don’t have to do it on Saturday. That means you have time to pull every nail, staple and screw out of the studs, rip up all of the carpet, load everything in to the truck and trailer and make it to the dump before it closes–with a half hour to spare.

Demo in the basement is pretty much done now. The next items on our to-do list include fixing up the electrical.

Does this look right to anyone? I think we may need professional help.

Does this look right to anyone? I think we may need professional help.

And beefing up the existing studs, which have been laid flat, leaving us only 1 1/2″ for insulation–not enough.

New lumber to fur out our existing studs.

New lumber to fur out our existing studs.

Our formerly finished basement is now very much unfinished, but I’m actually really happy to see the clean slate. And I feel like we’re approaching the point where we finally start to put it all back together.

Matt's office

Hello clean slate (also known as Matt's office)

What did you do on your weekend? Productivity is satisfying, but I do hope someone out there got to sit and relax a bit.

Basement plans

So I realized I talked a lot about what we have to do to the basement, but not a lot about what it will be.

The main words to describe this space are cozy, comfy and casual.

Sarah Richardson Sarah's House Season 1 basement

Not our basement. Inspiration picture from Sarah’s House Season 1

We’re starting with a pretty good space. We have great ceiling height, large rooms and really good bones. You’ve already seen a sneak peak of the room I’ve dubbed the long room and heard about some of our early demo work. Here are the other rooms that make up our basement.

The main room before

The main room. Picture a large, comfy sectional couch where the wood stove is and a big TV on the wall opposite the staircase.

The basement before

The other side of the main room in the basement. Not sure what the deal is with all of the cabinetry and the workstations. This has all been removed, but some of the cabinets will be reused in Matt’s office. Picture a ping pong table and games table in this space.

Basement bathroom before

The basement bathroom, soon to be known as Matt’s bathroom. This project will get its own post.

Basement before

Another view of the basement before. The laundry room is to the left and Matt’s soon-to-be office is through the doorway in the centre. The half wall has already been demolished and a new doorway to the office has been cut behind it.

The basement also includes our cold cellar and utility room, but we’re focusing our renovation on the actual living space.

Here’s a floor plan showing how the spaces fit together.

Basement floor plan before

Basement floor plan before (Image courtesy of floorplanner.com)

And here’s the plan showing the changes I’d like to make.

Basement floor plan after

Basement floor plan after. Just subtle changes (except for the aforementioned bathroom). Just moving some things around and dialing up the cozy factor. (Image courtesy of floorplanner.com)

In the end, the main spaces in the basement will be used for TV watching, games and hanging out.

Sarah Richardson is known for putting a full size table in her family rooms as a spot for games, work, crafts or dining.

I think that’s a great idea and we’ve got the space for one, so that’s on the list too.

Sarah Richardson Sarah's House Season 1 basement

Inspiration photo from Sarah’s House Season 1.

I’ve already made some fun board game-inspired artwork to go on the walls.

We found a ping pong table top in the barn, so we’ll be making a base for it and bringing it into the basement. There’s a dartboard in the office that we’ll be hanging up somewhere. We’re also storing my brother’s pool table for him and I’ve told him not to be surprised if it ends up in the long room while it’s here.

The basement was Matt’s main priority when we were house-hunting, so I’m excited to make it a nice space that’s special for him.

For more of our inspiration images, visit my Basement board on Pinterest.

And feel free to add your input in the comments. What makes up your perfect basement? Are you a rec room fan or a home theatre enthusiast?

Basement reno

When moving into a new house, the first reno project for many people might be the kitchen or the bathroom, something in the main living space. But not for us. Nope, we’re going underground and doing the basement.

Basement demo in progress

Basement demo in progress

We knew from the first time we saw the basement that we were going to rip out the bathroom entirely right away. Very quickly on the first weekend we realized we were also going to rip out the carpet. Then, when Matt started taking down the paneling in the long room, we realized we needed to upgrade the insulation in all of the exterior walls.

This is when scope creep began to happen. Scope creep happens when you say to each other, “Since we’re doing A and B, we might as well do C, D, E, F and G.”

So, here is the to-do list for the basement reno:

  1. Redo the bathroom (this is a big project that will get its own post)
  2. Replace all the carpet
  3. Remove the wood stove
  4. Relocate the built-in cabinetry
  5. Brick up one window
  6. Redo all the insulation and drywall on the exterior walls
  7. Remove barn board paneling
  8. Relocate office doorway
  9. Deal with electrical (remove baseboard heaters, fix lighting issues)

So yeah, this isn’t just a slap some paint on the walls project. Oh well, we just came from a basement reno at our last house. We can do it all over again. It’ll just take a little more time and energy than we’d initially planned on.

Hopefully the scope of this project doesn’t creep any further!

We’ve already made pretty good progress. Most of the exterior walls are opened up, the wood stove is out, the new office doorway has been cut and the cabinetry is down.

Our weekend involved things like discovering peg board, floor to ceiling, wall to wall installed behind the drywall on every single wall of Matt’s new office. Just FYI, peg board is not easy to remove. Drywall, you can usually pop that right off. Peg board, not so much. I now officially hate peg board and will never ever be using it anywhere.

We also discovered that our wood stove is even heavier than our piano. Matt and I were able to get it off of its tile platform together, but we couldn’t move it very far just the two of us, so we decided to save it until my Dad was there to help us (you’re welcome, Dad!). Turns out, the three of us couldn’t move it very far either.

We managed to heave it onto a dolly, which allowed us to wheel it to the bottom of the basement stairs. Then we set up planks on the stairs and tried to wheel the dolly up our makeshift ramp. We made it about 6 inches.

Plan B involved a very long, very heavy rope that we discovered coiled up outside the drive shed. The rope went around the dolly and the wood stove about 6 times. Some creative knots were tied. Then the rope went up the stairs, out the front door and was tied to the trailer hitch on my Dad’s truck (can you guess where this is going?).

I have no photos of any of this, because, as I’m sure you can understand, our hands were a little full.

With me driving, Matt directing me from the top of the stairs and Dad guiding the dolly from the bottom, the extrication began. Eventually, even the truck gave up as the back wheels started spinning while the wood stove was still about 3 feet from the top of the stairs. The rope was creaking, the planks were sliding and we were still so close–yet so far!–from victory.

But by that point, we were not going to surrender to our iron adversary, so with Matt and me pulling and my Dad pushing we managed to heave the wood stove up the final few feet. Dad’s comment was that he had no choice but to get it up since he was on the bottom and the wood stove was going to go through him if gravity prevailed. When it was finally on level ground, the three of us just slumped against the floor, the wall, the stairs, wherever we were, chests heaving, hands still gripping the stove, a little bit stunned that we actually managed to get this beast out of the basement.

Wood stove

Wood stove, in its new temporary quarters in the drive shed.

So, I now have a wood stove for sale. You want it, you come and get it. I will not be helping you load it.

Basement reno begins

Here’s how we spent our Saturday afternoon.

The future pool table room

Basement before

Basement after

Basement after.

The space that I call the “long room” in the basement had barn board paneling on the lower half of the walls. Matt was not a fan.

It was chipped, water stained (notice the flood evidence in the first picture) and just a whole lot too rustic for our taste (and yes, that is plywood covering a broken window in the photo). The patches you can see on the upper half of the wall are not our handy work and in fact that drywall is now going to be coming down and completely redone, so just pretend it’s not even there.

After Matt finished with the frustration that was attaching the pedestals to our new washer and dryer, he was ready to hit something. That meant the paneling was doomed.

A few hours later we learned several things:

  1. Don’t mess with Matt when he has a wrecking bar.
  2. There is no drywall behind our barn board paneling… Huh, I guess this is going to be a little more work.
  3. The insulation behind the barn board is both inadequate and improperly done… Huh, I guess this is going to be a lot more work.
  4. Our piano (which came with the house) weighs about 3,000 pounds… and when Matt’s adrenaline is up, he can move it all by himself.
  5. You should always find the right breaker before you start to mess with an electrical outlet (my poor Phillips screwdriver will never be the same).
Basement after

Another angle of the room, including the lovely view we now have into the utility room.

This is going to be a long project, so don’t expect the final reveal next weekend, but I am pleased to say that work inside the house is finally underway.

2 weeks

We’re two weeks into farm ownership. It might be starting to sink in that this is all ours. Today in the barn I had a moment of realization that this fabulous old structure is actually mine. Oh, and the forest, and creeks, and marshes, and ponds, and trees, and driveshed, and house too.

After looking for this property for so long, it’s still a bit unreal at times.

Here’s what we’ve done the first two weeks:

  1. Energy Audit
  2. Install new geothermal heating/cooling/hot water system
  3. Have all of the ducts cleaned
  4. Clean out and clean up the house
  5. Clean out the barn (mostly)
  6. Move in
  7. Upgrade the insulation in the attic
  8. Decide that upgrades are needed to the well and water system and meet with two contractors to start getting quotes
  9. Buy new washer, dryer, dishwasher
  10. Make numerous trips to Home Depot, Rona, Canadian Tire, Walmart…
  11. Pick up our newly refinished dining room table and chairs
  12. Buy fabric and foam to recover the seats on the dining chairs
  13. Cut down a huge tree that had a split in it and was dangerously close to the house
  14. Start to get acquainted with our two barn cats
  15. Get internet service
  16. Get telephone service (surprisingly, our high-speed internet was the easier technology to get up and running in an area where modems and dial-up are still in use)
  17. Make numerous repairs to the barn, including adding a door where there was just a door-sized hole, installing locks, fixing the broken staircase, installing lighting and plugs on the main floor, cleaning out many piles of scrap wood and bales and bales of loose straw–complete with four garbage bags full of binder twine
  18. Rehang the driveshed door so that it will now close
  19. Do minor electrical upgrades in the house like a new exhaust fan in the bathroom and a dimmer switch in the bedroom (including installing the latest in modern technology, a cover plate on the light switch! It was a little scary to fumble around in the dark without one there!)
  20. Unpack (somewhat)
  21. Take a few walks across the fields and finally venture into the woods

The credit for the barn and driveshed all go to my Dad and Matt (with an assist from my father-in-law on the new barn door). Dad spent a lot of time out at the farm supervising the contractors when we weren’t there and working to make things nice for us. Thanks Dad!

Funny how most of our attention has been spent outside at the barn. The house still needs a lot of work, but it’s completely habitable and as we unpack and settle in, I’m starting to feel more comfortable.

This is definitely where I want to be. I feel very privileged that we were able to make this happen and that we’ve found the property for us. It’s very special. Tiring and a lot of work, but still special.